Update (10/10) : AA77, the mystery flight, also hit the Twin
Towers (ABC, Jennings) and was followed by a "second plane" into
the Pentagon (Irish BreakingNews)
Update (10/08) : For unexplained reasons, one of our private
email contacts, of this portal, was cancelled, which happened a few
minutes, after we posted this article.
(Please use the new address: nicohaupt2(at)yahoo.com )
In other developments:
As correspondent Dulce Decorum reported, Flight 11 and Flight 77 were
not on the BTS database.
They were present for every day other than September 11 when they were NOT
scheduled. And they never took off. And they were not
cancelled.
Correspondent Gerard Holmgren published his findings and the BTS
started getting questioned. Originally BTS had 18 entries for 911
Dulles - most people online who saved this, can confirm this.
However, two days ago, the BTS records now list 19 records and the
one at the very top is Flight 77.
Also, as thoughtcrimenews.com will reveal in a forthcoming story,
"Flight93" did not exist until
Sep11th. Most of the passengers got rescheduled from Flight91.
What other flights "replaced" Flight 93, 11 and 175?
In two new mini articles, WoodyBox argued, why radar observations
clearly showed, that two different flights must have been in
Pennsylvannia (93) and at the North Tower (11).
Special addition by ewing2001: According to the breaking news
section, during Sep11th, also "Flight 175" survived the South Tower
crash, at least officially "until" 12:42 PM EST
One day after the attacks, Air Controllers of Washington
ARTC Center related to Matthew L. Wald from the New York Times how
they spotted an unidentified aircraft that "crossed their radar
screen", approaching Washington from the West. They believed it was
UA 93...
Flight 11 was spotted on the radar screens at 8:48 by New York
ARTCC controllers:
At 8:48, while the controller was still trying to locate American
11, a New York Center manager provided the following report on
a Command Center teleconference about American 11:
Manager, New York Center: Okay. This is New York Center. We’re
watching the airplane. I also had conversation with American
Airlines, and they ’ve told us that they believe that one of their
stewardesses was stabbed and that there are people in the cockpit
that have control of the aircraft, and that ’s all the information
they have right now.
The New York Center controller and manager were unaware that
American 11 had already crashed... (9/11 report,
p.21)
"Flight 93" survived the Pennsylvania crash (cont.)
...In contrast, controllers at the Washington Air Route Traffic
Control Center had much more warning that something was wrong.
Those controllers, who handled American Airlines Flight 77, which
dived into the Pentagon, knew about the hijacking of the first
plane to crash, even before it hit the World Trade Center, those
involved said. That was more than an hour before they watched
another hijacked plane, United Flight 93, cross their radar
screen on its way to the Pentagon... (Source: NY Times)
A quick look at an ARTCC map reveals that UA 93 never was in or
near the airspace of Washington Center - according to the official
story. Even when it crashed in Southern Pennsylvania, it was 50
miles out of this area.
"Flight 11" survived the North Tower crash (cont.)
...Flight 11 was reported at 9:21 by Washington ARTCC
controllers as "heading towards Washington":
Instead, the NEADS air defenders heard renewed reports about a
plane that no longer existed: American 11.
At 9:21, NEADS received a report from the FAA:
FAA: Military,Boston Center.I just had a report that American
11 is still
in the air, and it ’s on its way towards —heading towards
Washington.
NEADS: Okay.American 11 is still in the
air?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: On its way towards Washington?
FAA: That was another — it was evidently another aircraft that hit
the tower. That ’s the latest report we have.
NEADS: Okay.
FAA: I ’m going to try to confirm an ID for you,but I would
assume
he ’s somewhere over,uh,either New Jersey or somewhere further
south.
NEADS: Okay. So American 11 isn ’t the hijack
at all then,right?
FAA: No,he is a hijack.
NEADS: He —American 11 is a hijack?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: And he ’s heading into Washington?
FAA: Yes. This could be a third aircraft.148
The mention of a “third aircraft ”was not a reference to American
77.There was confusion at that moment in the FAA.Two planes had
struck the World Trade Center, and Boston Center had heard from FAA
headquarters in Washington that American 11 was still
airborne. We have been unable to identify the
source of this mistaken FAA information. 9/11 report, p.26
At 9:24, Langley fighters were ordered to intercept the
southbound Flight 11 in the Baltimore area:
The NEADS technician who took this call from the FAA immediately
passed the word to the mission crew commander, who reported to the
NEADS battle commander:
Mission Crew Commander, NEADS: Okay, uh, American Airlines is still
airborne. Eleven, the first guy, he's heading towards Washington.
Okay? I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm gonna
take the fighters from Otis, try to chase this guy down if I can
find him.149
After consulting with NEADS command, the crew commander issued the
order at 9:23:"Okay . . . scramble Langley. Head them towards the
Washington area.. . . if they're there then we'll run on them.. .
.These guys are smart." That order was processed and transmitted to
Langley Air Force Base at 9:24. Radar data show the Langley
fighters airborne at 9:30. NEADS decided to keep the Otis fighters
over New York. The heading of the Langley fighters was adjusted to
send them to the Baltimore area. The mission crew commander
explained to us that the purpose was to position the Langley
fighters between the reported southbound American 11 and the nation's
capital.150
The Air National Guard was informed by the FAA that Flight 11
was still airborne after the North Tower crash:
03:54:35 LT COLONEL DAWNE DESKINS, AIR NATIONAL GUARD
They told us that they showed the American Airlines Flight
11 was still
airborne. So now, we're looking at this, well if, if an aircraft
hit the World Trade Center, who was that?
http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/abcnews091102.html
General Myers knew of a hijacked plane, coming from the New York
area and heading to Washington:
General Richard Myers, vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, said that before the crash into the Pentagon, military
officials had been notified that another hijacked plane had been
heading from the New York area to Washington. http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0%2C1300%2C550486%2C00.html
So who wants to deny that Flight 11 was still airborne
after the North Tower crash?
(Check out also WoodyBox' latest article, "How To Steal An Airliner *AND*
Fake A Hijacking" -Pt.2)
(Screenshot of Irish Breaking News section, Sep11th, =european time
+6 hours!)
Most 9/ 11
Truthseekers are not aware of the fact, that officially, Flight
175,
DID NOT
crash into the Twin Towers until 12:42 PM EST!!
Was it in reality a different flight and non-commercial aircraft,
which was on the way to the South Tower?
And how did
it really arrive?
From the official timeline on that day:
...8:14 AM:
The second "Flight 175" (two different
wheels off-times, acc. to BTS!) takes off from Boston's Logan
Airport, 16 minutes after the scheduled departure time.
8:37 AM:
Interestingly, Flight controllers ask the United Airlines Flight
175 pilots
to look for the lost American Airlines Flight 11, about 10 miles to
the south.
They respond that they can see it. They are told to keep away from
it.
8:42 AM:
Flight 175
veers from its official course.
8:46 AM:
Flight 175
stops transmitting its transponder signal, but at “about the same
time” as Flight 11 crash.
8:53 AM:
Reports about a hijack on "Flight 175" are increased,
but officially they're all coming AFTER the transponders got shut
down.
8:58 AM:
Another phone call. This time by Brian Sweeney.
No clear evidence, that it was Flight 175, which was on the
way to New York.
Let's follow the timeline from the Online Breaking News (please note Irish Time= minus 6
hours )
Flight 175
officially "continued to fly" after 9:01 AM, because United
Airlines didn't confirm the crash.
We have now to skip three hours. In between, a FOX reporter claims,
he saw no windows at the plane, that was on its way to the South
Tower, and it had a blue logo.
Another female witness on the streets, recorded at around the same
time, by Indy TV project "Camera Planet", is shocked and yells to
the camera, that the 'second plane' was "not AN american airline"
(note the spelling: "an american airline", often misquoted as "
american airlines"). The tape circulates on the internet for years,
barely noticed.
11:52 AM
United Airlines confirms plane lost
11:59 AM
United Airlines "concerned about fourth plane".
In a statement, the airline also said it was deeply concerned about
another
plane, Flight 175, a Boeing 767
bound from Boston to Los Angeles.
12:27 PM "110 people on two United Airlines flights"
United Airlines has now released information that 45 people were in
the crashed airplane in Pittsburgh and a further 65 may have
been "in the missing plane".
United 175,
a Boeing 767, left Boston at 7:58 a.m. Eastern Time, bound for Los
Angeles.
That aircraft carried 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight
attendants, the airline said.
Officially, UA175 is still missing at 12:27 PM
12:42 PM (1:42 PM EST, if Irish time is +5 hours)
In another "breaking news", the "location of second United
Airlines plane" is still "unknown".
The last breaking news report from that day about UA175 said:
"...Two United Airlines jetliners crashed this morning, one in
western Pennsylvania and the second at a location the airline
did not
immediately disclose.
American Airlines initially said its planes crashed into the twin
towers but later said that was unconfirmed..."
No other news about the "missing plane" after 12:42 PM EST.
What’s so mysterious about Flight 175 ?
By John Doe II
October 10, 2004
Flight 175
was certainly the least mysterious of all four flights on
9/11.
Literally billons of people saw it crash into the WTC. Flight
175 was the
only plane that was to be seen live on television.
Also the last minute of this flight seem to contain no mystery:
At 8:40 happened the last transmission from UA 175. It stated that
they had heard a suspicious transmission (most likely from Flight
11). Minutes
later it turned southwest without clearance from air traffic
control. At 8:47 it’s transponder code changed, and then changed
again.
(Commission Report, p. 21)
Also Michael McCormick, the FAA's New York air traffic manager had
nothing mysterious to tell in “a press conference in which air
traffic controllers in New York, Boston, and Washington, D.C., made
their first extensive public comments since the attacks.”
(Boston Globe, 8/13/02)
Mr. MIKE McCORMICK (New York Air Traffic Manager): We tracked that
aircraft as it turned southbound and then back northeast-bound,
back toward Manhattan. I assumed at that point that that target of
that aircraft was, in fact, the World Trade Center.
ORR: Controllers tracked the hijacked jet for 11 agonizing and
helpless minutes.
Mr. McCORMICK: For those 11 minutes, I knew,
we knew, what was going to happen, and that was difficult.
(CBS, 8/13/02)
''Probably one of the most difficult moments in my life was the
11 minutes
from the point I watched that aircraft when we first lost
communication to the point that aircraft hit the World Trade
Center.
(Boston Globe, 8/13/02)
(Ottawa Citizen, 8/13/03)
So contrary to Flight 77 which disappeared completely from the
radar there was never a big problem with Flight 175. And the
Commission Report states:
9:20 UA headquarters aware that Flight 175 had crashed into
WTC (p. 32)
Unfortunately this is simply not true. To put it mildly.
While the confirmation that Flight 11, 93 and 77 crashed
didn’t take long United Airlines seemed to have big problems to
figure out what was going on with their Flight 175.
So in the ABC Special News Report from 11:00 – 12:00 United
Airlines is quoted:
“United is also saying now that they are concerned about a further
flight that apparently is still missing, flight 175. It is a Boeing
767. It was scheduled from Boston to Los Angeles. That flight
apparently is still unaccounted for, according to officials from
United.”
(ABC, 9/11/01 11:00 – 12:00)
So at least two hours after Flight 175 crashed into the
WTC and being no mystery to the controllers UA still has no clue
where his airplane is!
And things will become even stranger:
UA confirms that Flight 175 crashed but
….:
“United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767
crashes. The flight was bound from Boston to Los Angeles. It
carried 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. The
airline would not say where that plane crashed.”
(Seattle Times, 9/ 11/01)
(San Francisco Chronicle, 9/ 11/01)
(AP, 9/ 11/01)
(Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 9/ 11/01)
(ABC, 9/ 11/01 11:00 – 12:00)
Uups! Now they know that it crashed but not where or don’t want to
say it??
So, excuse me dear Commissioners, United Airlines was certainly NOT
aware at 9:20 that Flight 175 had crashed into
the WTC.
The first one to mention that Flight 175 crashed is NBC
minutes before noon. (Until 11:30 they only had
three confirmed flights that had been involved in 9/11).
CNN states on September 12, 2001 that United Airlines confirmed at
11:59 that
Flight 175
had crashed. (The other three flights had been already confirmed
long before). http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack
/
So, it took almost three hours to figure that out.
But the mystery hasn’t finished here:
The first guess which airplane had hit the second tower was not
Flight 175
but surprise surprise:
Let’s switch on the television:
“So we believe that the two aircraft have flown into the Trade
Towers, both belonged to American Airlines, and they had both been
hijacked and there were 90 passengers and crew on the first plane
and 60 passengers and crew on the second plane.”
ABC, 9/11/01
10:00
So, the first information was that AA 77 had hit the WTC (and not
the Pentagon).
Two hours after the second attack:
“And Flight 77, a Boeing 757 offering from Washington Dulles to Los
Angeles with 58 passengers and four flight attendants and two
pilots, may--that--that--that aircraft is a little more uncertain.
That is not a huge--it's a big aircraft, a 757, but we have--we're
not certain whether that's the one that went into the Pentagon or
whether it's one of the other aircraft that went into the Twin
Trade Towers.”
ABC, 11:00
Three hours after the second attack:
“We have the two at the trade towers in New York City, we're not
certain but we believe both of those are somehow connected to
American Airlines but we're not sure of that, absolutely sure.”
ABC, 12.00
Four hours after the second attack the confusion reaches its
climax:
LYNN SHERR: That--what--what you're seeing is the north tower.
Behind it there's a second identical tower, as you know. That plane
crashed right into it. All morning we have been told by American
Airlines, among others, that that flight, that airplane, was
actually American Airlines Flight 77 going out of Dulles to Los
Angeles. We were told 58 passengers, four flight attendants, two
pilots on that plane. It was hijacked at 9:03--I'm sorry, it was
hijacked right after takeoff. Crashed into the tower at 9:03
AM.
JENNINGS: Let me stop you right there, Lynn, because I just--I have
had different information so I'm going to rely on you here. You now
believe the American Airlines Flight 77 which took off from Dulles
on its way to Los Angeles, crashed into the Trade towers, not into
the Pentagon?
SHERR: We were told that originally. What I'm about to tell you is
the FBI is now saying that that's the one that went into the
Pentagon. The FBI spokesperson is saying that the flight that went
into World Trade Center tower number two, that's south tower, was,
in fact United Airlines 175, a Boeing 767
that left Boston for LAX, departed at 7:58 AM this morning; 56
passengers, two pilots, seven flight attendants. This is confusing,
I apologize. We are getting two different answers to our
questions.
(ABC, 9/11/01 1 p.m. – 2
p.m.)
And although NBC reported “already” at 11:59 that Flight
175 crashed
into the WTC this confusion between Flight 77 and 175 is not simply a
problem of ABC. Just two further examples:
“We know for sure at least 92 people were aboard American Airlines
Flight 11, a
Boeing 676--excuse me, 767, en route from Boston to Los Angeles,
which crashed into the building. Another 64 were aboard the second
flight that crashed into the building, American Airlines Flight 77.
That's a Boeing 757 that was en route from Dulles airport near
Washington, DC, to Los Angeles.”
(National Public Radio, 9/11/01)
“A second aircraft that crashed into the Trade Center is said also
to have been an American Airlines aircraft with 60 passengers. It
was apparently flying from Washington Dulles bound for Los Angeles
before being hijacked.”
(Air Transport Intelligence, 9/11/01)
Confusion might help explain a bit (although McCormick didn’t seem
to be very confused about Flight 175) but how is it
possible to confuse Flight 77 with Flight 175?
While Flight 175 never vanished
completely from the radar Flight 77 switched off its transponder
only at 8:56. Anybody ready to explain how Flight 77 could have
managed to fly to New York within 7 minutes? Or how on earth can
one possibly confound Flight 77 and Flight 175
Why was the most visible of all hijacked flights so mysterious?
9-11 Flight
175 Tail
number = N612UA last at Logan on 16th Aug
was EXCLUSIVELY at JFK from 17th August to 10th September then
suddenly
back at Logan on Sept 11th
Why was it moved on that day? It wasn't!
That flight, carefully modified the night before - took off from
JFK and
flew into the WTC. Anyone know the distance and direction?
The fighters were supposed to look for Flight 175 over JFK
And funnily enough we have a security alert on a plane from JFK
the
night before http://www.the-movement.com/essays/lies.htm (AA 299
though)
Flight 93
Sept 11th =N591UA was in Logan Sept 10th as Flight 0507. This
plane became Flight 175 - changed its
transponder code to flight 93 over
NJ and was shot down in Pittsburgh
What took off from newark was probably the white plane using flight
93s
transponder code?
We need to check if the last scheduled flights were cancelled.
N591UA leaves ( on the 10th) Logan for ORD at 7:30 gets to chicago
(ORD) at 8:39 wheel on time. Leaves chiacgo as flight 642 at 10:43
for Newark, it shows a flight number and tail number, but no wheel
on time or arrival time. It shows N591UA as flight 75 to SFO
departing wheel off time at 19:40
( a 240 min departure delay and 70 min taxi out time) It arrives in
San Fran at 22:07 wheel on time.
Then depart SFO ( as flight 78) at 23:15 wheel off time.
Flight 78 shows scheduled to arrive at 6:22, but shows no arrival,
or wheel on time.
3 planes were sheduled to arrive before the 911 events, but the
database shows no info of any planes arriving on the moring of the
11th from NWR
Flight 77 N624aa or N644aa?
N624aa was used for flt 77 most of end of
Aug and start of Sept
N624aa was in Logan Sept 10th (Flight 181, 11:00)
Airliners.net has a photo at logan of N644AA but its not listed at
all
on BTS either August or September at logan or Dulles.
Does not appear at Reagan Sept 2001
612UA departs from SFO to BOS Logan 13:44 W-off-time, gets to Logan
at 21:50 W-on-Time. Does not show departing on the 10th . shecduled
elapsed time 333 mins /60=5.55hrs 2 hours missing ?
13:44 to 21:50 = 7 hours and 6 mins
N334AA (11)
was at Logan Sept 10th - Flight 197 17:10, not listed for
Sept 11th
Tail # N334AA arrived in SOF at 20:43 W-On-T on the 10th it left as
flight 198 to BOS at 22:04 W-Off-T it had a scheduled elaspse time
of 334 mins. It had a scheduled arrive time of 6:24, but does not
show a wheel on time, arrival time or tail #.
8 planes (of 55) were shown to have arrived before the 911 events
started. none show to actually arrive ( no arrival time, wheel on
time or tail number)
Airliners.net has a photo at logan of N644AA but its not listed at
all on
BTS either August or September at logan or Dulles.
Does not appear at Reagan Sept 2001
Can't find it anywhere?
N644AA does NOT appear at all, EVER, on the BTS database.
American Airlines has this really weird system of reporting their
planes to the BTS. As far as I have been able to determine (thanks
to a DU poster by the name of LoneStar) the code is as follows.
N (not to be confused with the N-number)
Fleet number (for example, 5BP)
The initial digit of the fleet number pertains to the make of the
plane, for example, 5=757 3=737 0=airbus etc
I do not know the story with the letters just yet.
AA has a very high number of leased planes and will frequently sell
of planes they own outright at a steep loss and then lease the very
same plane back at a very high rate. I think this is some kind of
corporate welfarekick-back or money laundering scheme. It makes
absolutely NO fiscal sense whatsoever. Perhaps the letters pertain
to intial ownership??
AA (perhaps as carrier code?seeing as how American Eagle planes
appears to be reported as MQ??)
The AA fleet number for Flight 77 is 5BP.
Therefore, the plane reported to the BTS as N5BPAA is in reality,
FAA number N644AA.
The AA fleet number for Flight 11 is 334.
Therefore the plane reported to the BTS as N334AA is in reality,
FAA number N334AA.
Go figure.
But the problem that we consistently face is that CHARTERED flights
are not listed.
Neither are those of small airlines but all our flights were on
large BTS reporting carriers. At present, I am embroiled in a
debate over this at DU. I mainatain that Colgan does business as US
Airways and even has its planes painted in US Airways colors and it
flight attendants wear US Airways uniforms. Colgan's flight numbers
are US Airways 5000-5999. Now if you go to the BTS database and
check Portland and Boston for September 11, you soon
determine that there was NO Colgan air service on that day. The
Colgan/US Airways flight numbers range is given as 5000-5999 by
Colgan's website, and as 4800-4999 and 4950- 5099 by the US Airways
website. This, to me, adds up to zero.
Furthermore, it does not appear to me at present that Colgan flew
directly from Portland Jetport to Boston.
I think you have to connect at LaGuardia or Dulles (or maybe Philly
or somewhere else. )
which makes it a five hour proposition.
American Eagle appears, from BTS stats, to be the only airline that
Atta/Buhkari/Alomari could have boarded.
And since woody has a thing about gates, here is a schematic of the
Portland Jetport.
http://www.portlandjetport.org/inside-terminal.asp
Note that Gate 11 is somewhat hidden
from view.
Second aircraft hits Pentagon » NEWSFLASH
(*thx to TotalInfo and Brad M.)
archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/11/
4:05:16 PM
A second aircraft has crashed into the Pentagon building.
It is not known whether this plane was that which was hijacked
from
Boston airport a short time ago, the fourth such plane to be used
in
this major attack on the US.
Earlier, a small plane had slammed into the building and set it
ablaze.
It is not yet possible to ascertain the number of dead or injured
in
the various attacks in America's biggest cities.
All flights to and from the US have been grounded, as have all
transatlantic flights to and from Canada.
bravenet.com
